Things everyone should know about marijuana

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:13am

There isnt a point to argue with this. There are no REAL facts about it, they are all biased in a way and the experiments used are most of the time altered to get the desired result, which it isnt called a experiment then is it? The truth is weed does do somthing to your mind, alot of people I know deal, and they will tell you, it will do somthing to your way of thinking which will be negative. People do get addicted, but not as much as a "hardcore" drug. It can take days, it can take weeks or years.

Society dosent want to use weed as a fuel or anything like that, they want to use it as a DRUG, a mind fuck. You cant tell me that if the cannabis plant was being used for fuels and making clothes paper etc.. that you would be perfectly ok with not being able to smoke it to get fucked up. That what the people in society that want it legalized want.

As with the cancer thing, hell, anything can cause cancer... When I say anything, I mean anything... Did you know if you have one of those plastic dothingys in your microwave to put over your food to make it heat faster or cook better "sprinkles" your food with carciogenic chemicals? Or any plastic at all...

What you guys should be more worried about is the ammount of crude oil we have left in this world. In my lifetime we will probly run out, which means alot of your shit that you have around your house will be gone. Even your clothes are made a little bit from patroleum products to help with wrinkes and shit.

Also more than oil you should be worried about nuclear waste. We have over 100 nuclear power facilities in this country, and nuclear fission produces nuclear waste... Where does this waste go? Hrmm, last I heard a salt mine in the desert about 100 miles from LA (im thinking its LA). Not to mention that sits on a fault line and used to be a big body of water...
The last thing you want is that shit in your drinking water or any water that you will come in contact to.

Some divers went out to "check out" the place where russions used to dump nuclear waste in the atlantic and there are 6 foot sponges growing... Sound like science fiction dosent it? Go check it out, the evidence is out there.
Our government has told that its ok to use the nuclear power facilities for another 20 years thats 60 years... They were built to last 40... They are already weakend by the huge ammounts of radiation.

Think of it this way people, the nuclear waste that is being produced today has to be protected for thousands and thousands of years before it becomes stable. Thats like the very first humans, your earliest ancestors. The first fire they used, if the ashes were radioactive, we would still be protecting people/animals/rest of the world from the harmful radiation being emitted... Not to mention the security issues with having to keep it protected from "unlawfull" use.

Im not on any side for legalization (decriminalization would be nice tho). But those are my views from what ive experienced.

--edit
I just read the 3rd page of posts...

It is a gateway drug, and saying drinking pop will make you eat fast food is totally irrelivent.
First of drinking pop dosent give you pleasure and if it does you need some help. Eating fast food dosent give you even more pleasure.

People who smoke pot and move to harder drugs want to be more fucked up.
Its like saying playing a free MMORPG _CAN_ and more than likly will in the future make you want to play one that isnt free.
Like people who play guild wars more than likly eventually move on to WoW.
I use this analogy because this is a gaming "influenced" board and it fits...

Its the "the cold hard truth" and maybe your mind is too influenced by wanting to smoke pot out in the open and you wanting people to know you do it, that you cant think logicly. Have you ever been around drug dealers? I grew up with them. My mom is about to get out of prision because of drugs, for the 5th time. Most of you guys who argue about drugs dont really know what your talking about, just the shit you hear at your nearby school by someone you think is cool (if you arnt in school then you guys havent ever gotten out into the real world)... By real world I mean where shit happens, people get killed for drugs more than you know. This shows people get addicted, and yes people CAN/DO get killed for weed.

If you want people to know your a obnoxious stoner who just found out what weed is act like Flying Martini. Oblivious to logical thinking and no personal experience with drugs.

You will never become a big enuff voice to be a BB hitting the side of a tank on this issue with the government. My advice is go experience this for yourself, stop smoking for a while so your thoughts arnt influenced when you do it. Get a respectable degree in collage, then make your argument. Then you have a slight chance of saying somthing of any use to the "pro weed" movement, depending on how you represent it. Otherwise, dont make stupid topics about shit you know will be a big controversy. Having a big FAQ list dosent mean shit when you get down to it. You can have a FAQ hell even detailed directions on how to use a computer as a "expert" but you will never be as good as the person who has had personal experience.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:17pm

cream > def

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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:03pm

Cream, I use the statement that "weed is a gateway drug" in the GENERAL sense. Not every pot smoker is going to move onto harder drugs. Logically speaking, pot smokers are more likely to come into contact with harder drugs via whoever deals them weed (alot of dealers that I've come into contact with sell more than just weed), thus making them more likely to experiment with harder drugs. I don't have scientific evidence to back this up, it's just based off of my personal experience, so take it as you wish. I like the "gaming" analogy that Def used above...I couldn't have put it better myself.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:15pm

I agree withyou smut that you are exposed to those drugs by smoking pot. Beleive me I have seen some shit. It wall comes down to the person everyone is different.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:24pm

If it was legalized then you wouldn't have to come into contact with the dealers who deal weed and harder stuff. I don't really buy the whole gateway drug thing. People move on from weed to stuff like coke because they want the feeling coke gives you, it has very little to do with weed. Alcohol can be considered just as much a gateway drug, because I know people who started on alcohol and now do lots of other stuff including pills and coke, etc and they never really smoked weed. I see how it appears that weed leads into this stuff, but they would end up doing it regardless of if marijuana even existed.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:44pm

Psycologically anything can change your mindset. Pot has no physical effect on the mind, however.

Both Cream and Def make good points both ways. Nice posts.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:02pm

The BiG SMUT wrote:

Cream, I use the statement that "weed is a gateway drug" in the GENERAL sense. Not every pot smoker is going to move onto harder drugs. Logically speaking, pot smokers are more likely to come into contact with harder drugs via whoever deals them weed (alot of dealers that I've come into contact with sell more than just weed), thus making them more likely to experiment with harder drugs. I don't have scientific evidence to back this up, it's just based off of my personal experience, so take it as you wish. I like the "gaming" analogy that Def used above...I couldn't have put it better myself.

I knoww hat you meant, but thats why I didn't say "OMFG UR WRONG STFU IDIOT NOT AG ATEWAY DRUG"

I gave you reasons why it probably is, and ways we might be able to fix it. Weed's not the problem here, its how it is represented.

Def, don't talk like I don't know shit, I'm not from downtown in a city, but drugs and addiction are probably easier to see out in the burbs. Scoring weed or crack rock here is easier than scoring alcohol if you're under 21.

Plus, you missed the point of my post completely. So maybe you should re-read it. Personally, you sound like to me like a propagandized idiot who wants to jump in the conversation and sound like he knows everything, because you made weed sound like it was as evil as coke is, and coke is even worse. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, to not give me more D.A.R.E. responses. Razz

I know that I'm wrong about you.

Let's get real here, the number one negative subject about marijuana, is what happens to you if you get caught by the authorities. After that, its what smoke does when it goes into your lungs. There's no damn conspiracies after that man, that's the worst it does. We've already talked about addiction, there's no phsyical addiction, like withdrawl does to you, its mental. Its still bad, but at least its not a real honest to god physical addiction like heroin or morphine.\

You already HAVE THC in your body. So it can't be a poison, like alcohol. All marijuana does, is causes an imbalance of THC. Does it have long term affects on your cognitive state? Maybe, but you have to be quite the damn ritualistic smoker to see those results.

And my drinking soda pop to fast food analogy totally worked. Drinking soda pop is irrelevant to smoking marijuana, yes, but its a damn analogy, think about it.

Just because you drink soda (smoke marijuana) doesn't mean you'll eat fastfood (go on to worse drugs). Or, Just because you smoke marijuana, doesn't mean it'll be a gateway drug. You're analogy probably works too, but see I played SWG, and when they fucked that game up, I was thinking about going to guild wars, for the free, but there's no damn way in hell I'll ever play WoW. Razz

But lets review.
You play Guild Wars(smoke marijuana), but that doesn't mean you'll play WoW too. (go on to worse drugs).
Just because you drink soda (smoke marijuana) doesn't mean you'll eat fastfood (go on to worse drugs).

One last thing, Def. If there's one thing I can't stand, its when I'm being stereotyped. Thats why I may have been a little hostile in this post. But the last time I -reguarly- smoked marijuana was about 3 or 4 months after I turned 17. Today, I'm a couple weeks off from being 18 and a half. During that period, I've smoked marijuana, maybe...4 times. Last time was over 6 months ago. And because I've gone back to my diet/fitness program I've declared myself quit.

So, this has ABSOLUETLY NOT ONE damn thing to do with me wanting to, or being under the influence of smoking marijuana. But nice try. Razz

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:14pm

I wasent directing my post twords you or anyone elts. I just read the statements said, on most I didnt even see to who they were from, I just stated my opinion on them. So nice try.

The only person I stated was Flying-Martini. Not cream.

I didnt try to make weed seem as bad or worse than coke, did I even mention coke?
Whats with you tring to make me sound like I was using D.A.R.E shit? Thats like 5th grade?

I never said it was a physical addiction.

Im not a "Propagandized" idiot who knows everything. But I know alot, I know how the drug trade works and I know what shit does to you, short and long term. Like I said I was born with it, so I grew up thinking all the shit is a part of life. Naturally I learned about everything as I was growing up, never knowing right/wrong about it. I dont take my facts about drugs from statistics or any other influence but myself and my personal experiences with it.

I personally like smoking weed, but ive noticed that the whole legalization thing is a "faze" people who smoke weed go through. Then you get to the point where you relise that you have no voice in it and you probly never will. All your left with is arguing with other people that have extreamly differant views. Noone ever wins...

I hate to tell you but in my honest opinion there are no _STRAIGHT_ truth facts about weed that have been released to public or even private for that matter. Because the people who do the tests dont do it to just know, it isnt about knowledge anymore, thats with anything. Its about winning, be it a presidental election or a 10$ bet with your buddies... So there will be biased opinions about the studies and thier outcomes. Even if there is unbiased facts about it out there you will never know because there are so many "versions."

Also in my experiences people get very hostile when they know thier arguments arnt standing up to the oppisate side.
I never said do legalize it, I never said dont legalize it. I just stated my opinion, and if it got you this worked up maybe I should choose a side just to see what your next post will be like.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:37pm

Cr3aM wrote:

If there's one thing I can't stand, its when I'm being stereotyped. Thats why I may have been a little hostile in this post.

def wrote:

stop smoking for a while so your thoughts arnt influenced when you do it.

def wrote:

If you want people to know your a obnoxious stoner who just found out what weed is act like Flying Martini. Oblivious to logical thinking and no personal experience with drugs.

def wrote:

Also in my experiences people get very hostile when they know thier arguments arnt standing up to the oppisate side.

One more time:

Cr3aM wrote:

If there's one thing I can't stand, its when I'm being stereotyped. Thats why I may have been a little hostile in this post.

I gave you two instances of you stereotyping and pleanty of reason enough to show you that It wasn't that my argument wasn't holding up that made me hostile...hell, if I thought your argument made mine look bad, I'd give you a high-five. But you pointed out some good issues nontheless. The way drugs are treated may have a worse outcome on society than drugs themselves.

I took your post as referring to mine since it came right after mine, so maybe you weren't stereotyping -me-, or arguing versus my statements, but the fact remains that I still disagreed with some of the things that you said (basically that here's no use in taking a side because none of our voices will matter, and that the signifigance of people who get killed because of weed is more of a point to make than the amount and signifigance of people who get killed because of alcohol), and you still stereotyped Flying Martini.

Why he hasn't taken offense, I have no idea and its not my buisness, but I'd still be keen not to do it.

I'm not really sure I can discern if you have an ultimate stance on this issue, other than that you've had bad expiriences with drugs, which is all fair, I respect that you have resenment towards the effects of drugs on society. And that you think little kids who smoke marijuana and think it should be legalized is some phase.

def, take a look at the effects of alcohol on society, then take a look at the effects of marijuana on society, and tell me which one seems worse. Then ask yourself why marijuana is illegal and alcohol isn't. Its not just a phase kids go through, its a drug used to keep the lower classes down, on purpose or not, and in a country of liberty and equality, thats a bad thing. Its all about the bigger picture.

And yes, it was uncalled for me to say that you were arguing like a propgandized idiot (not that I was saying you were one, but thats the approach I thought you were taking), and we can stop the "I'm right you're wrong" and go back to debating this reasonably. Smile

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drugs are bad
alcohol is bad

escaping reality is BAD

(yes videogames and TV are bad. at least books make it hard to escape reality)

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:18am

Books are bad.
Music is bad.
Procreating is bad.
Drinking coffee and soda pop is bad.

Most importantly though, Fatman, absolutes are bad. Wink

Server Admin Age: 22 Joined: Mar 6th, 2004 Posts: 1800

THANK YOU

about time someone said something smart.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:54am

Cr3aM wrote:

def, take a look at the effects of alcohol on society, then take a look at the effects of marijuana on society, and tell me which one seems worse. Then ask yourself why marijuana is illegal and alcohol isn't. Its not just a phase kids go through, its a drug used to keep the lower classes down, on purpose or not, and in a country of liberty and equality, thats a bad thing. Its all about the bigger picture.

Alcohol is worse than marijuana, and it was illegal (prohibition). Course that didn't work out too well. I don't get what you mean by saying, "it's a drug used to keep the lower class down, on purpose or not". If it is being "used" to do something, then it HAS to be on purpose, because who then is the person/group "using" it? And why are only "lower" class people using drugs? No one is forcing all lower class people to use weed. If someone is kept down because of marijuana use, it isn't because someone is trying to keep them down, it's because they're keeping themselves down. To accuse the government or "higher" class people of using marijuana to keep the "lower" classes down sounds absurd, no offense.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:48am

Yeah ive always wondered about the alchohol thing... But its been in history so much I doubt anything will ever happen to it..

Quote:

and you still stereotyped Flying Martini.

I made my opinion based on the way he is acting.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:41pm

FatManMGS2 wrote:

drugs are bad
alcohol is bad

escaping reality is BAD

(yes videogames and TV are bad. at least books make it hard to escape reality)

we escape reality everyday we goto church.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:23pm

Flying Martini wrote:

FatManMGS2 wrote:

drugs are bad
alcohol is bad

escaping reality is BAD

(yes videogames and TV are bad. at least books make it hard to escape reality)

we escape reality everyday we goto church.

IF we go to church

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:27pm

90% of the things we do are an escape from reality.....some are just more positive than others

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:05pm

Cosmo wrote:

90% of the things we do are an escape from reality.....some are just more positive than others

you must really not like yourself to 'escape reality' that much.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:18pm

I only read this page, so if i say something thats already been said in the last 3 then sorry lol.

Weed is only addicting if your stupid. But the majority of people that smoke probaly only did it to look cool (not pointing at anyone here), which makes them stupid. Ive seen it at partys, school, etc. all the time, people faking to be high after 1 or 2 hits... Ive smoked a few times before, I dont like it. Its fun being high, but it smells bad (when its lit anyway, i love the way it smells before its lit lol) and I have asthma. Smoking only makes that worse, and i play sports, so i dont wanna get bronchitis or mycoplasma or any other wierd asthma sickness. I dont know if weed can cause that stuff, but it sure as hell makes me cough like crazy, even after like an hour after ive smoked. Its not worth it.

So I dont smoke. I didnt get addicted either, not even close.

bout 1/3 of my friends do though, alot of them in all honors classes, good grades, etc. Im gonna use one as an example. One of my friends was in all honors, good grades, played soccer, then he started smoking. He dropped into regular classes, quit soccer, even had those special TAKS classes for the really stupid people. He was always skipping school to smoke. Then one day he got caught by the cops. He was grounded for a long ass time, couldnt go outside, watch tv, or anything. He finaly got ungrounded. Can you guess what he did? He got high again, and got caught. Hes been caught atleast 5 times now, even got caught at school once. He doesnt care about anything anymore. He coulda had a good job, making lots of money.
Im not saying weed made him stupid, it just made him lazy and not care about anything. He could stop right now, start studying, get his grades back and be smart again if he wanted, but he doesnt want to. Because of weed. Now he does it all: alcohol, coke, even heroin. Hes still a good friend of mine, i go skatin with him all the time, but in 20 years, i guarantee hes gonna regret ever smoking.

And if weed was legal, more bad would come of it than good. Americas already lazy. We spend more of our money on entertainment than any other country. We have the most obese people too. (it might be because we produce over 50 percent of the worlds food supply, but then again, maybe we just plain lazy) If you throw weed into that, thats gonna be pretty bad. People do lots of stupid stuff when they are high too. Also, weed supposedly has like 23 chemicals in it that are yet to be identified. That may be bullshit, but who knows. If so, im sure some of them are pretty unhealthy Surprised

I had some more to write, but i forgot it while writing that stuff^. Also, if some1 knows a link to an article about those 6 foot sponges, post it here lol, i wanna read it.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:53pm

bobjones wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

90% of the things we do are an escape from reality.....some are just more positive than others

you must really not like yourself to 'escape reality' that much.

what exactly do you mean?

Server Admin Age: 22 Joined: Mar 6th, 2004 Posts: 1800

cosmo

technically by your defentition we are "escaping reality" 90 percent of the time-meaning we are in reality 10% of the team.

So if we are in REALITY only 10% of the time, what really is reality? wouldnt you say it's the 90% of the time we think we arent in reality?

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:58am

i stand by what i said. music, movies, games, tv, books, most of the things we do aren't reality. maybe we're just operating on different definitions though

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:46am

Cosmo wrote:

i stand by what i said. music, movies, games, tv, books, most of the things we do aren't reality. maybe we're just operating on different definitions though

what is your definition of reality? i find no harm in taking full advantage of the pleasures in life.

by my definition escaping reality is a good thing. its what i do when i meditate.
clearing your mind without having to replace anything in return (movies, tv, books by your definition) is a nice feeling.

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:47am

i'm not saying it's bad, i was just saying that i don't really think we spend alot of time in it

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:23pm

Daiken, Its not that only people in the lower classes are using drugs, its that they're receiving the brunt of the punishment for it.

During the 70's (and even today), who do you think would get in more trouble? A white rich wall street worker or actor snorting lines in the bathroom, or a black man smoking crack cocaine in the slums?

The number one purchaser of Columbian Cocaine Daiken, is the Centeral Intelligance Agency, or C.I.A. of America. The organization entrusted to keep the product out of America has had deep ties in controlling the trade in South America by installing puppet governments and pushing it onto the streets to make sure that the lower classes lose their rights with the way the law is structured. Do these people who buy it not have free will, are they evil? Not really. They don't know or don't care. How could they know? You think I'm crazy right now. But there's non-fictional books about it, here's an example, and probably the best:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1888363932/104-4929802-1818350?n=283155

The war on drugs is a big joke. The American people are convinced its a war based on morals, but with the resources America has, don't you think the C.I.A. would have limited the amount of cocaine flowing into the country by now? Sure some would still get in...but its everywhere, and SO easy to get. The way everyone just turns a blind eye towards it frankly alarms me.

Its funny that Martin Luther King day happened to be so recent for this conversation. They probably taught you that North America's not racist in school anymore, but that's also a joke. How is it so hard to believe for people that we'd use a substance such as cocaine or marijuana to keep the lower class down? I mean, ask yourself why the law is structured the way it is, you get caught in posession and:

-You lose your right to vote
-You lose student loans
-$1000+ fines
-6 months in jail

and if you get repeated offense, or felony, its even worse. and if a rich white wall street worker gets caught for snorting lines, its generally a slap on the wrist.

Lmfao, and even if you bought and read that book I posted, or just read the description and some reviews (if you weren't too scared to take a peak at the link, that is) you'd probably still think its just a crazy conspiracy because of the propaganda you were spoon fed in public school. Rolling Eyes

I have provided more than enough factual evidence however.

And one disclaimer: I've been called racist for this topic before. If you're gonna to say something that idiotic, then you are obviously not intellectual enough to conceptualize proper values, and should not participate in this discussion.

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Quote:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571743774/qid=1137621154/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5133983-7973500?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

OMFG UFOS MUST EXIST

ITS IN A BOOK

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:06pm

FatManMGS2 wrote:

Quote:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571743774/qid=1137621154/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5133983-7973500?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

OMFG UFOS MUST EXIST

ITS IN A BOOK

OMFG ACCREDITED CONSERVATIVE JOURNALISTS DON'T LIE ABOUT THIS SHIT.

KingPin Member Age: 27 Joined: Jan 15th, 2006 Posts: 153

Cr3aM wrote:

FatManMGS2 wrote:

Quote:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571743774/qid=1137621154/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5133983-7973500?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

OMFG UFOS MUST EXIST

ITS IN A BOOK

OMFG ACCREDITED CONSERVATIVE JOURNALISTS DON'T LIE ABOUT THIS SHIT.

couldn't just quote the one guy.
ACCREDITED CONSERVATIVE JOURNALISTS DONT LIE? Who"S ANNE COULTER? How BOUT RUSH LIMBAUGH? Need i Say more? Stop having so much faith in the media, they're in it for money and power just like everyone else.

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:19pm

Ann Coulter nor Rush Limbaugh can really be called journalists, nor accredited for that matter. Also, the last time the author of the book was involved in media, was when it still had a bit of innocence left, and this is a book of his own writing, so organizations such at Clear Channel have no censorship rights over it.

Also, if you brought up Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh because I said conservative, they're neo-cons, not conservatives. And the neo-cons despise this guy for writing the book, thats why I put it in bold text. Because its not even a liberal who wrote this book.

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:44pm

Cr3aM wrote:

You think I'm crazy right now.

You got that right. lol, nah just kidding. I've heard those rumours, I've heard a lot of those stories before about how the CIA controls the drug flow into the country. I've heard theories about how the war in Afghanistan was partly fueled because of low opium supply in the world. Is it possible, sure I don't deny it. But I still don't believe most of these stories. There are many legit reasons why the CIA could be buying cocaine around the world. Regardless, I still think it's absurd to say the government allows drugs into the country just to "keep the poor people down". Second, I'll be honest with you and say that I don't really care. I am pretty strict about my beliefs against drug use. If the government is just selling drugs and then busting these people later, then whatever. If anyone gets involved with drugs, they should be aware of the risks.